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PostSubject: Religion - how to get rid of it   Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:14 pm

Why are people religious?
Whats the use of being religious?
How can religion be explained in sociological, evolutionary and and anthropological terms?

What is mystique? Does it serve a common good?

Why does people cling on to silly twit things like horoscopes, gods, healing and so on eventhough science and reason has proven the longer utility of these mentioned irrational belief sets are non-existent?

How do we work for a world without religious beliefs?
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:29 pm

That's interesting.
I d say,
Religion is needed, if we think we need it, and then God exists.
Religion wont be needed, if we think we dont need it, and then God doesnt exist.

The use of religion is to define something that human dont know yet. Perhaps religion is a nul. :)

If science is something that we know, then religion is something that we dont know and we presume it to be. And thus, the extent of religion often goes towards infinity, like the almighty power of the god, so that human can be satisfied with the explanation about life.
Another belief that can replace religion or stand equal to religion is to know that 'we dont know', as stated by Socrates.

In this sense, science may not necessarily contradicts to religion. Instead, the development of science is to adjust the belief set. We can observe these from the evolving charateristics of religions.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:21 pm

Thanks Winglee, youre so clever :).

It would be more fun if someone more obnoxious would have answered...

I agree on your opinion. Religion is there to fill in what is not know for us. But since this level of knowledge could be individual there no reason to keep fighting against religious beliefs. We should all try to know as much as possible, that is, to be able to know stuff with evidence and not by imagination.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:02 pm

Religion often drive people to strive for more knowledges, knowing that there are so much unknowns out there.

But wt Daoism, which is not a religion, and also the Buddha, tell us is that we ll just live harmoniously with the nature not doing anything, except basic survival. This makes me always rethink wt am i actually doing. Do you guys agree that some wisdom is there?
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:09 pm

One should have no masters. Religion is stupid.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:53 pm

i am afraid i cannot agree with u about that. Religion is the key to all human accomplishment nowadays. Before anyone become an atheist, they should understand wt religion is and feel how its like being religious! right, thats the FEELING that makes religion cant be beaten down
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:21 pm

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=401547

I think this a rather good and short dismisal.

2. The myth of religious belief

This is delicate ground because lots of people believe themselves to have religious belief, and some can even get quite huffy about it. But David Hume, who was usually right about these things, said that nature "suffers not the obscure, glimmering light, afforded in those shadowy regions, to equal the strong impressions, made by common sense and by experience. The usual course of men's conduct belies their words, and shows that their assent in these matters is some unaccountable operation of the mind between disbelief and conviction, but approaching much nearer to the former than to the latter."

People say they believe in life after death but still grieve when people die. Christians try to get rich and Muslims gamble. The state of mind here is unaccountable in the same way as that of the child who pretends that the tree stump is a bear and then becomes genuinely frightened of it, while knowing all the time that it is a tree stump. Like the child's game, the grown-up one deserves no special respect, but provided it keeps away from the serious side of life it can remain harmless enough. Unfortunately, it is apt to break out, giving bearded men in skirts an amplifier with which to spread one or another arbitrary set of attitudes and demands.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:32 pm


It was proved in a research that religious people live much happier life than Athiests !!!.

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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:35 pm

Miro wrote:

It was proved in a research that religious people live much happier life than Athiests !!!.

That because theyre childish. Children is general also more happy than grownups. Intelligent grown ups will locate more dangers and seek to destroy them, children will never be able to do this. Its irresponsible to be religious when you hae the chance not to be.

Stupid people or as well more happy than intelligent poeple - see the connection?
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:38 pm

u are not religious, then how do u deal with the unknown? or u dont admit that there is unknown? if u do, are religious.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:58 pm

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u are not religious, then how do u deal with the unknown? or u dont admit that there is unknown? if u do, are religious.

There is probably a lot of stuff unknown to man. That makes no difference to me, i dont speculate about it like the religious people do. And if i do i dont take it seriously like they do. I dont need to know everything, the answer to everything, I can afford surprises.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:07 pm

yes, the format of some religion and the behaviour of some religious people are too serious. Thats why i dont have a single belief system, if i have to choose among them. But we cant deny that we are religious, but in a very 'atheist' way. agree?
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:09 pm

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yes, the format of some religion and the behaviour of some religious people, which are the only thing that we can critize about if we are consistent with wt we are doing, are too serious and irrational. Thats why i dont have a single belief system, if i have to choose among them.

But we cant deny that we are religious in a very 'atheist' way. agree?
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:50 pm

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yes, the format of some religion and the behaviour of some religious people are too serious. Thats why i dont have a single belief system, if i have to choose among them. But we cant deny that we are religious, but in a very 'atheist' way. agree?

Its true were religous ina atheist way, however, this does not imply anything that resemble the common use of the word "religious" in everyday discourse. I would agree on focusing on criticizing the worst parts of religiousness, but on a philosophical forum, there should be restrains.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:22 am

being an atheist has to be far more than objective and super cool. otherwise, they can be as irrational and childish as the religious do, or even worse. In order to see things clearer on the both sides, i d raher be neither of them. Perhaps they are all the same thing as a nul. but of course debate should go on because it helps exchange thoughts of different people until they understand that they are all in line with each other.

Right, religion has been distorted these days. and i think understanding should go before critizing. Why does this phenomenon happen? for example,'Christians try to get rich and Muslims gamble' as mentioned.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:01 am

I would agree on that worshipping the non-belief or, reason or "atheism" could be very troublesome. atheism for me is more of a "method".. one is "atheist" in aspect to theists and so on. Its non-belief. a belief in nothing and everything.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:50 pm

yes, i agree, thats the atitude. but i am a little bit worried, wt if one day i died, and then i see god, who has planned to sent me hell for not beliving him in life time? wt do u think? is it the unknown that makes life a joke?
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:04 am

religion is bad when people use it in competing terms like my religion is the true religion and yours is wrong and your going to go to hell for it...religion is good when its used as a foundation for people to live their lives by because majority of religions at its core are the same in the sense that they all preach love and peace towards yourself and others but when people get into the specifics of their religion and use it as in a rule book to how to live your lifes like u can do this and this and this but u cant do this and this then that limits people and takes away from them a chance to grow and learn in their own way as indivuals
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Wed May 27, 2009 7:52 am

Believe what you can experience. Everything you know is through experience, so how can you question it?

If you want to know if there is God, then pray/meditate/whatever, with full sincerity. If there is God, then God is not limited to a philosophical concept, but is also able to be experienced in soem way.

If there is nothing, no answer, then either God does not want to be revealed or is not there. Essentially it boils down to one of those two, I think.

You can argue until you are blue in the face about this or that, but these arguments all go around in circles, there is not much answer in arguments.

I think the healthy attitude to religion and spirituality is the same as a gold miner who has found a little gold, and therefore believes that in this same spot there will be more, and so digs.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:52 am

Winglee wrote:
That's interesting.
I d say,
Religion is needed, if we think we need it, and then God exists.
Religion wont be needed, if we think we dont need it, and then God doesnt exist.

The use of religion is to define something that human dont know yet. Perhaps religion is a nul. :)

If science is something that we know, then religion is something that we dont know and we presume it to be. And thus, the extent of religion often goes towards infinity, like the almighty power of the god, so that human can be satisfied with the explanation about life.
Another belief that can replace religion or stand equal to religion is to know that 'we dont know', as stated by Socrates.

In this sense, science may not necessarily contradicts to religion. Instead, the development of science is to adjust the belief set. We can observe these from the evolving charateristics of religions.

That seems as a very interested opinion.I think that the religion is, similarily to your opinion, what we want it to be. And that to practice faith, you need not to be religious in the sense of today. I think that the fact that someone actively participates in everything organised by his/her church is not the most important think of having a faith. Also, I believe that the church does not the right to tell the people what is right and what is wrong. I think that the people should learn that on themselves. The parish can only provide a way and offer it to the religious people- but it can not promote it by violence, like it did in the past..

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PostSubject: Re: Religion - how to get rid of it   Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:31 pm

Yes lets get rid of the religions. Man oh man, finally someone sees the deception that radiates from religion. Its time to get back on track with The Truth, The Way, and The Life. Go team go!
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