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PostSubject: Seth is against Christianity   Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:17 pm


Seth Material is against Christianity


According to the Seth Material, Jesus Christ exists as part of the Christ entity, a highly evolved entity who exists in many systems of reality. Christ incarnated as three individuals: John the Baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, and Paul or Saul of Tarsus. Each was to some degree aware of his role in founding a new religion (although Paul was not aware of his role until after his conversion to Christianity).

The Seth personality said that Jesus was not physically crucified,and that it is not in the nature of enlightened individuals to sacrifice themselves. Rather, a willing and deluded surrogate, who believed himself to be the Messiah, was substituted in Jesus' place, and it was this surrogate whom Judas betrayed. Seth said that the crucifixion of Jesus did occur as a non-physical event, created by extra-dimensional artists. This event was then translated into the physical plane, and according to Seth it now exists within history as if it had physically occurred.

The Seth Material states that Paul of Tarsus will reincarnate in the 21st century to correct mistakes that he made that set Christianity on the wrong course, and a period of spiritual awareness will ensue.[citation needed] Paul will not identify himself as Christ or be seen as Christ, since his appearance will undermine organized religion, Christianity included.[citation needed] Roberts claims that Paul will be known as a psychic; he will strive "to straighten out Christianity, which will be in shambles at the time of His arrival", and he will form "a new system of thought when the world is sorely in need of one". The events surrounding the return of Paul/Saul will substantially be complete by the year 2075, but the ensuing changes to society will take a century to unfold


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Charles Upton in his book The System of Antichrist, which critiques the New Age movement, argues that the reason Jane Roberts multiplies the self in many ways is due to a fear of death, and that the Seth texts are based on a misunderstanding of both Christianity and of Eastern religions. Upton also acknowledges that "traces of valid esoteric doctrines can be found in the Seth teachings.

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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:18 am

i trust the seth material much more than the bible. and the seth material isn't the only text that said jesus never died on a cross there are multiple texts that support the seth material and the excuse that she had a fear of dying so she made this up is laughable. and the seth material isn't against chrisitanity its just pointing out some of the problems with it after many years of misinterupting it
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:46 am

Well I don't care even if there are thousands texts or even million that said Jesus never died on a cross and I confirm that Seth is against christianity and Jesus died and he was risen in third day as the Bible said....Besides what are those misinterpretations in bible that says Jesus didn't die huh? tell me? where are they?...I'm waiting for your reply.

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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:33 am

if jesus never died on the cross and never resurrected would this take anything away from jesus and christianity and ima wait for u to come out with the history of the bible before i debunk it lol
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:31 am

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i trust the seth material much more than the bible. and the seth material isn't the only text that said jesus never died on a cross there are multiple texts that support the seth material and the excuse that she had a fear of dying so she made this up is laughable. and the seth material isn't against chrisitanity its just pointing out some of the problems with it after many years of misinterupting it

Misinterpretting it? Claiming that John, Jesus, and Paul are all parts of the 'Christ entity' is a bit of a long shot. I'm not a Christian, and I don't really have any personal motivation or bias when it comes to Jesus and the Bible, and I'm not thoroughly convinced that it is all the origional stuff, but I would trust it before i trusted some woman who had a vision.

Why should I beleive this woman? What reason do I have? What reason does anybody have?

Any Ad Hominem response will be ignored.
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:29 am

if u read the book u can see that no human would be able to write this book. the book goes in depth about the universe the soul and the knowledge is so vast that once u read it you'll understand theres no way she made this stuff up and theres other books that support what the book talks about and even science backs it up
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:41 am

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if u read the book u can see that no human would be able to write this book. the book goes in depth about the universe the soul and the knowledge is so vast that once u read it you'll understand theres no way she made this stuff up and theres other books that support what the book talks about and even science backs it up

I've read a wikipeida page and it seems not only plausible but very probable that she made it all up. What a depressing world you must live in to beleive that people cannot make such things up. You beleive in Seth but not the human ability to imagine? There are many complex beleif systems, but you do not beleive in those.

As far as I'm concerned, 'once u read it you'll understand' is another way of saying, 'It looked not only plausible, but desirable.'

So I'm going to pretend that's what you said to my question.

Tell me what exactly science backs up? Is it not possible that she read a science book? If science discovers then science publishes, that's how they make their money. Most science is published.

What has this lady given you that is tangible?
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:09 am

well first of all the seth material isn't just a crazy womens theories, Princeton univeristy uses the seth material for their studies and have volumes of it in their libary. i dont think one of the top schools in the world would do this if they didn't think it had merit.

the most important things that come from the seth material is that this reality isn't the only reality that we are currently living in and that we have other selves living in other realities and the second most important thing is that our thoughts, emotions behind those thoughts, and our beliefs create our reality. if you read my post on quantum physics you will see how our thoughts are more powerful than we are told.

These are some experts in the field that back up what the Seth Material state:

Bryce DeWitt- is a theoretical physicist who receieved his bachelors, masters, and doctoral degrees from harvard. He was awarded Dirac Prize in 1987, the American physical society's Einstein prize in 2005. He wrote multiple books on multiple universes and quantum physics.

David Deutsch- is a physicist at the University of Oxford. He wrote a book called the Fabric of Reality where it talks about multiple universes and quantum mechanics.
He was awarded the Dirac Prize of the Institute of Physics in 1998, and the Edge of Computation Science Prize in 2005. The Fabric of Reality was shortlisted for the Rhone-Poulenc science book award in 1998.

Max Planck- was said to be the founder of quantum theory and the most important physicists of the twentieth century. He was awarded the nobel prize in 1918.

Fred Alan Wolf wrote multiple books on the subject like multiple universe and quantum enigma. and there is a book by Norman Friedman called Bridging Science and Spirit where Fred Alan Wolf did the foreword. In this book Norman Friedman uses David Bohm's research on quantum physics and connects it to the Seth Material.

Books such as Adventures Beyond the Body by William Buhlman, The Holograhpic Universe by Michael Talbot, Astral Dynamics by Rober Bruce, The Living Energy Universe by Gary E. Schwartz, Echos of the Soul by Echo L. Bodine all are similar to the Seth Material.

So the ideas that come from the Seth Material aren't only Jane Robert's ideas. In fact there are numerous people who support the ideas from the seth material and quantum physics proves her right
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:35 am

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well first of all the seth material isn't just a crazy womens theories, Princeton univeristy uses the seth material for their studies and have volumes of it in their libary. i dont think one of the top schools in the world would do this if they didn't think it had merit.

the most important things that come from the seth material is that this reality isn't the only reality that we are currently living in and that we have other selves living in other realities and the second most important thing is that our thoughts, emotions behind those thoughts, and our beliefs create our reality. if you read my post on quantum physics you will see how our thoughts are more powerful than we are told.

These are some experts in the field that back up what the Seth Material state:

Bryce DeWitt- is a theoretical physicist who receieved his bachelors, masters, and doctoral degrees from harvard. He was awarded Dirac Prize in 1987, the American physical society's Einstein prize in 2005. He wrote multiple books on multiple universes and quantum physics.

David Deutsch- is a physicist at the University of Oxford. He wrote a book called the Fabric of Reality where it talks about multiple universes and quantum mechanics.
He was awarded the Dirac Prize of the Institute of Physics in 1998, and the Edge of Computation Science Prize in 2005. The Fabric of Reality was shortlisted for the Rhone-Poulenc science book award in 1998.

Max Planck- was said to be the founder of quantum theory and the most important physicists of the twentieth century. He was awarded the nobel prize in 1918.

Fred Alan Wolf wrote multiple books on the subject like multiple universe and quantum enigma. and there is a book by Norman Friedman called Bridging Science and Spirit where Fred Alan Wolf did the foreword. In this book Norman Friedman uses David Bohm's research on quantum physics and connects it to the Seth Material.

Books such as Adventures Beyond the Body by William Buhlman, The Holograhpic Universe by Michael Talbot, Astral Dynamics by Rober Bruce, The Living Energy Universe by Gary E. Schwartz, Echos of the Soul by Echo L. Bodine all are similar to the Seth Material.

So the ideas that come from the Seth Material aren't only Jane Robert's ideas. In fact there are numerous people who support the ideas from the seth material and quantum physics proves her right

I'm not trying to say that there aren't other universes/dimensions. I can fully appreciate that idea. I'm asking what reason there is to say that this woman's visions have any relevance to you or me.

You are saying that they mention valid scientific concepts. I'm not sure that this is really much evidence. It gives weight, but I could find out about these theories, then write a book about some visions I had where someone told me about it.

Please post links when you quote websites, otherwise for all I know you just made that up.
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:46 am

well i got the information about these people and their credentials on wikipedia. and this girl doesn't have visions what happens is she channels the entity seth and the seth personality takes over her body and speaks using her body and her husband writes it down.
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:49 am

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well i got the information about these people and their credentials on wikipedia. and this girl doesn't have visions what happens is she channels the entity seth and the seth personality takes over her body and speaks using her body and her husband writes it down.

Okay sure.

I think I just don't see the part where any of this means anything to me. When I can channel Seth, I'll listen. When she predicts something that happens, I'll listen.

My question, which you answered, was why you beleive in Seth.
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:09 am

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Well I don't care even if there are thousands texts or even million that said Jesus never died on a cross and I confirm that Seth is against christianity and Jesus died and he was risen in third day as the Bible said....Besides what are those misinterpretations in bible that says Jesus didn't die huh? tell me? where are they?...I'm waiting for your reply.

I came across this post while reading through all of the interesting posts here and thought it warranted some further exploration.

I would have to agree after the admittedly little that I read about the Seth Materials that they do seem to be more or less "against christianity" at least they certainly do not seem to support a mainstream view of christianity. (I really can't speak to them as I don't know enough) But, putting the Seth Materials aside... why would you not be interested in knowing of texts which disagree with the crucifixion story? I would think it would be interesting to hear more about that.
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:31 am

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I came across this post while reading through all of the interesting posts here and thought it warranted some further exploration.

I would have to agree after the admittedly little that I read about the Seth Materials that they do seem to be more or less "against christianity" at least they certainly do not seem to support a mainstream view of christianity. (I really can't speak to them as I don't know enough) But, putting the Seth Materials aside... why would you not be interested in knowing of texts which disagree with the crucifixion story? I would think it would be interesting to hear more about that.

Good question , Well Bible confirms That Jesus was crucified physically and Actually he should have made it physically otherwise it will be illusion !..Salvation requires someone who is absolute perfect to sacrify himself for others....
Look at this verse:

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6: 23)

The wages of Sin is death , since Sin is done against unlimited absolute holiness ( God ) so this Sin becomes unlimited absolute Sin too !! so In order to remove the wages of this kind of SIN , we need someone who is absolute perfect to carry it for us ! so who do you suggest can do that other than god himself through Jesus (who is absolute perfect) ?!

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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:25 am

I'm sorry that my post was unclear, I was merely asking why you wouldn't be interested in knowing of texts which sought to refute the Bible's claim regarding the topic. I didn't intend to in any way suggest that Jesus' crucifixion was a myth or that the biblical account of Jesus death was false. I was actually surprised to hear in the previous post on the Seth Materials that "many texts" disagree with the biblical account-- as far as I know, the matter of Jesus' crucifixion is considered true by most scholars regardless of whether or not they personally ascribe to the doctrine of christianity.

I didn't intend to ask for more information about biblical explanation of the death of Christ and you most certainly do not have to "back up" your belief in it to me. I feel very strongly that each of us has the right to hold our beliefs sacred and I have nothing but respect for you.

If anyone else out there has knowledge of (legitimate) texts which disagree with the account of Jesus death as described in the Bible. I would be very interested in learning more. This is a very fascinating forum. I hope to learn from each of you.
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PostSubject: Re: Seth is against Christianity   Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:42 am

Well I didn't force my belief it to You...lol...if I intended to do that I would have called this forum "Christian forum" not "Philosophical Forum" lol.

I was just explaining my answer to your question..thought you needed details...that's all matter ! Some members sometimes suffer from my short answers lol

I believe I answered You very well the question you asked me coz it was personal question....Finally I encouraged others who disagree about Jesus Death as mentioned in bible ....WE ALL HAVE FREEDOM TO TELL OUR THOUGHTS ! Wink

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